Science V Magic

[brandra]

How do you see the difference between science and magic? Or do see a difference?
Where do you feel the power comes from to do Magic?

[falcon]

I know Brandra that you see everything as sience even though we may not have figured it out yet but somethings fall out side of sience and spirit definatly falls outside. How can spirit be sience there are no atoms in spirit?

[lilyfae]

I have an unfinished book (guilty secret) in my collection called 'science and the craft' which is concerned with the fact that quantum physics may prove what witches have believed in all along, that the energy that things are made of is able to be manipulated and that reality is what we make it... and it can be made.

In my understanding, science is merely a way of describing what happens in the world, not why it happens or has happened, science is what happens, magic is the missing link of what causes it to happen...
After all, science knows how a human body is put together, how all the systems work and contribute to each other, but it cannot create life from scratch, the animus is missing and cannot be explained or created.

[sky]

OO Lilyfae I was going to put much the same, science just hasn't proved the presence of magic and when it does I think it will be in the realms of quantum physics. you should finish that book

[lilyfae]

I am trying, it just makes my head hurt!!!

;D

[brandra]

That is my thoughts exactly both I have read similar stuff Lily there is a passage in the same thing in power of the witch by L Corbet.
There is also a theory that form the very beginning of the universe it is possible track the course of every single molecule in the universe. Of course if this is true it means that everything is already set and nothing is random and there is no free will.
Of course you would need a really big calculator, I have heard that the answer is 42.

[watershield]

The problem with science, is that by definition and simply stated, it is the study of the physical world.
That study is limited by technology.

When we talk about the spirit, we are no longer talking about the accepted physical world as we know it today.

It is very possible that the spirit is composed of matter but with a structure to fine or to small to be detected. (as yet)

What is the smallest (or largest) particle of matter? Just because we can't measure it today, does not mean it does not exist.

Magic (at least in my minds eye) is a process of affecting fields of energy. How each of us achieves this is up to our individual paths and experiences.

The greater our awareness and ability to affect the energy, the greater the physical effect.
In our everyday lives, everyone has positive and negative thoughts. And like a grain of sand dropped into a pool of water, those thoughts will make a ripple but the effects, by and large, will be small.
With the ability and awareness of the energy, a focused thought can be like a stone dropped into that pool.
With total awareness, imagine the potential wave.

For me, magic might be referred to as the anti science.
Acceptance of nature, the universe and energy around us, without needing proof that can "I can hold in my hand"

[brandra]

Hi Watersheild I always thought that this should be a topic for a good debate.
This is the way I see it, science is about the study of the physical universe, the church put limitation on it because it was considered an act of blasphemy/heresy to question god. God however perceived will be ether matter or energy and as the two are interchangeable could even be both at the same time. The ability for energy and matter to be interchangeable could be the beginnings of understanding the concepts of life rather than just the physics of life even be it a long way off.
Einstein said that when he realised that all matter could be converted to an equal amount of energy he had discovered secret of annihilation what he didn’t realise at the time was that the process two way so he also discovered the secret to creation.
I think it is very likely that there is something beyond the subatomic that we will have to wait and see in the end I think we will find that both spirit, matter and energy are the same the defining feature is the resonance.

[watershield]

One can theorize that as the planets orbit around the sun, and as electrons orbit around a nucleus, a parallel can be seen.
Suppose that the Earth is an electron and our solar system a Atom. Our Galaxy would be a molecule.
What object are we suspended in? Yes, more than likely, within another such structure, but how many times does this process repeat in either direction?

I have read that all things are comprised of crystalline structure. Crystals are naturally formed with, 4,6,8,12, 24, 48 faces.
The universe is made up of matter or energy, depending on your view.
Crystals are a conductor of energy and can refine or focus that energy/matter.

I suspect that our universe is in fact a crystal and that it has 6 faces. Energy refracting from each face creating a separate dimension or plain of existence.

My question here is, what crystal would that be?
I suspect that it may well be Quartz, given it's abundance and general properties.

[vermindaspirit]

An interesting thought Watershield, i never thought of our universe as being a form of crystal, but it seems viable...I shall think on this some more, thanks for the thought provoking post.... ;D..

[seleena]

Very cool, Watershield. I would never have thought that either. I agree with many in that Science is the explained and Magic/Spirit is the unexplained. :-)

[watershield]

It was suggested on another board, that the "crystal" could be carbon.
It's far more abundant, forms the basis of all life as we know it, and under pressure will form diamond, a 48 faced crystal. 48 faces, generating 48 dimensions or plains of existence.