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Post by brandra on Jan 18, 2006 17:10:22 GMT -5
Hi guys I have been having a few conversations with people and it got around to the darker side of the craft and I just thought that I would throw this one on the floor to see what you all thought.
If you were being attacked on a psychic or astral level how far would you go to to defend yourself and your own? Would you use something a bit dark for protection or even to hit back if all else had failed.
Do you think it is a good idea to have some understanding of the darker side of things.
An interesting point here Hereditary witches often work a little darker than most wiccans are comfortable with when needs must.
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Post by watershield on Jan 18, 2006 18:34:17 GMT -5
"Witchcraft" or the ability to manipulate the energies around us has been with us since the dawn of time. Wicca, on the other hand is what, 50 or 60 years old. I'm not surprised that hereditary witches have fewer reservations toward the dark side.
The rede and the rule of three are wicca concepts. In part brought about when witchcraft was illegal as a means to give an impression that wiccans could not do any harm and were there to aid and assist others.
For the most part, I think that may be true. Most Wiccans are what can be referred to as "White Witches". However, it has been my experience that there are some wiccan covens that do lean to the dark side and intentionally attempt works of chaos.
Some years ago, I participated in a Sabbath with a so called Wiccan coven in Vancouver. This was on the eve of the comet Kahotech (spelling) passing the earth. During the preparations, the coming ritual was explained to me and it became evident that their intent was less than a positive one. After chanting and meditating skyclad around the circle, they would sacrifice a goat at the alter. The blood was to be collected and some drank. Then each would use the blood to write the given rune of the members upon each other and while asking Kahotech to grant them their "hearts desire", they would have group sex.
Not the kind of coven I anticipated, so I left. Later that night I was attacked and I countered. Strongly. I've never seen or felt them since.
Point is, what they were doing was creating a huge negative energy wave in both their ritual and their attack on me. Science will explain that for every action there exists an equal and opposite reaction.
If a practitioner wishes to use negative energy, they must understand that there will be an equal force of positive energy "sent out" and vice versa. generally, if only one force is focused the other will tend to cancel out the desired effect. Basically, all of us already are aware of the need to ground before doing spell work. But what are we doing? By practice, we are focusing the negative energy "down and away" then focusing our positive energy toward our target. To use dark magic the same rule applies, except you ground the positive energy and focus the negative toward your target.
So, do I think knowledge of both sides of magic is a good thing? I believe it's a require thing. One must understand the positive and the negative if you ever wish to understand the balance.
As a side bar, with all those wiccans out there grounding their negative energies into mother earth, might this explain the growing violence in society, the destruction of our environment, etc. ?
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Post by vermindaspirit on Jan 19, 2006 4:04:46 GMT -5
Wow Watershield, you certainly have a way of explaining things ;D...It's a bit early in the day for my poor brain to kick in so i shall attempt to answer this later ...
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Post by vermindaspirit on Jan 24, 2006 5:53:21 GMT -5
If you were being attacked on a psychic or astral level how far would you go to to defend yourself and your own? Would you use something a bit dark for protection or even to hit back if all else had failed. Do you think it is a good idea to have some understanding of the darker side of things. quote] I would defiantly use whatever means possible to defend myself B, whether its on the astral plane or in every day life.... Something dark for protection?, now that all depends what you perceive to be dark...I wouldn't want anyone to die, but if death is the result in order to save me and mine then I'm sorry to say it , then so be it.... I do think its a good idea to have knowledge on the darker side of the craft, for there has to be a balance in everything and you need to know the good and the bad in all aspects of life or magic.... Watershield - i have to agree with you regarding the growing violence and destruction of the earth, iv often thought is this happening cause there are some people out there that are messing with magic and don't really have a clue about what they are doing or the consequences of their actions...
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Post by elle on Jan 26, 2006 4:32:00 GMT -5
Define darker. Using "dark" magic for protection means it's not being used for a dark purpose, so is it therefore dark? It's like the proverbial school bully, if you don't eventually push back he'll be bullying you for years. Hypothetically it's okay to use it, but I believe you should only do it if you 1. have a clue what you're doing and are aware of knock on effects and 2. be prepared to take any repercussions.
Watershield, I never like grounding negativity back into the earth, but looking at the numbers involved you wouldn't think us few were the ones responsible given everything else you see going on in the world today as far as contaminents and pollutants. Very thought provoking though!
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Post by watershield on Jan 29, 2006 3:19:52 GMT -5
I think that when we refer to Dark magic, what we are really referring to is the negative aspect of the energies being used. Most people utilize or attempt to utilize the positive aspect of just about ever thing they come into contact with. That's human instinct to some degree. We are conditioned to think positive is good, good for me, good for you..... But the energy that we use also has a negative characteristic. Again, we are conditioned to think, negative is bad....
What we must keep in mind here is that energy has no good or bad. It just is. Positive is not good or bad nor is negative. They are characteristics of the energy that is available for use. And every thing is made up of energy. Matter being just another form of energy.
Again, because of our up bringing, by and large we are constantly thinking of these characteristics as good and bad. When we apply our understanding to the world of magic, we tend to refer to it as white or dark, primarily due to our childhood conditioning as I've stated.
Now, accepting that the terms are purely a matter of convention, we can divide the practitioners of the craft into groups associated with the characteristics described.
I think every one will agree that vast majority of practitioners will identify in the white magic group. Those who predominantly use the positive aspects of the energy to do benefit themselves and those whom they choose to help. By and large, I would classify most Wiccans, Witches, and Druids here. (and yes maybe even Christians)
However there is a group who will identify as practitioners of dark magic. Using the negative aspects to accomplish their goals. Again, that could very easily be to benefit themselves or those close to them. Again, I would classify some Witches, Occultists, Warlocks, Sorceresses, and Satanists here.
I do acknowledge that there is still yet another group who utilizes the negative aspect of the energy (and one who uses extreme positive) with no intent to benefit any one but themselves and to create chaos when ever possible. As to them, the less said the better in a forum of this nature.
It does not matter which aspect of the energy you use. Both can be used to achieve a result. What matters is which aspect you find the greatest affinity with. What vibration is closest to yours.
As to Brandra's original question: how far would you go to defend yourself, If the only thing between my family and an attack is death, prepare to meet your maker! But it can be done with either aspect of the energy. Truly, white and dark are more concepts of morality than magic.
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Post by seleena on Feb 16, 2006 14:40:22 GMT -5
I really like this topic. We actually had a discussion of this in my class. How you do you feel about dark magic. I don't believe dark is necessarily a bad think. I define dark as the quiet part of myself that I don't share with anyone. It is the part I visit when I am by myself. It is often the true base essence of who I am. I share some of it with others, but not all of it. Some of it is mine alone, therefore in the dark. I know people who use negative energy to hurt others all the time. They aren't necessarily pagan, they are just negative. There has to be an opposite in everything we do. These people who "ground" their positive, too me, balance out the negative. I think there are enough positive thoughts being sent out that we balance the earth. If grounding our negative or positive thoughts were the cause of something it would be positive results considering the amount of hate there is in the world. I more feel that the hatred and selfishness that exists within us and we chose our behaviour. We share the part of ourselves with the world that makes the Lord and Lady weep and causes the distruction of what they have built. When you walk into a store and someone is rude and ignorant to you, it is hard not to take on that persona and pass it to someone else. It is a choice and sometimes hard to not take on their negative energy and pass it on. It is hard to fight back their negative energy with positive energy and cancell it out. That, too me, is where the destruction comes in, from people passing on negative energy and supressing the positive. Just my two cents. IF I am making any sense. As far as grounding the negative, I don't view it as negative. I ground excess energy to be put back into the earth. I view it as black and the energy coming into me as white, only as a reflection of what I am giving and what I am taking. Neither is good or bad, just opposite. I think we should ground our excess energy to be used by others besides ourselves. When I get rid of negative emotions, etc, I view them as fading into a ball of white light and blowing up into the universe and disappearing, not sticking around to hurt others. We are all good and bad, dark and light, negative and positive and we have to acknowledge it.
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