Astral attacks....

[vermindaspirit]

I know that many on this site have had this happen to them, myself included, but i was wondering how this is possible, if you only have the internet as a connection....You have no idea what the person looks like, where they are from and even what name they go by in the 'real' world....So, how is it possible to attack someone you have never met, through the astral?.....

[seleena]

I think we are all connected in some way. There is physical connection, spiritual connection, etc. I am not explaining this very well, but I fully believe that some of us have met in another time and place and that connection is still there throughout time. I think it is a connection in our collective conciousness, the more spirutal part of ourselves that continues on. The part of us that holds that memory for those deja vue moments. This is the part that continues on past our life time and expands over our many lifetimes. If you look at Jung theories, it makes sense. There are different conciousness. The lower self, the higher self and the collective conciousness. That is where we experience these deja vue moments, in the collective conciousness. That is where we get that feeling that we have met before. That, is where I believe the memories that we have met before are located and where the connection is. I am not a sociologist or a physologist, however, I have read stuff on Jung and it seems to really make sense when you look at what the majority of witches believe. ;D ;D

[seleena]

Here is a link to one essay on Jung. If you go down to the collective conciousness part, it will explain. It is very good.

www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/jung.html

[vermindaspirit]

Thanks for that S, i have put it into my favorites so i can really absorb it.... ;D

[astralguardian]

I will be curious to read his work. As I know it, live it, and feel it, there are those kinds of tendrils to everyone and everything. It's those tendrils I ride upon, those essense, those soul connections. That's what I ride upon when traveling. They are like air currents to the dragon. So, I tend to get rather "connected to friends, heheh.

With those kinds of connections, especially trong ones, I'd think you can use them as conduits for all sorts of good or bad things. So, if you're on someone's black list, heheh I probably am too. Now, throw in the possibility that someone may be, disgruntled at a group as a whole, you get a nice effect.

[seleena]

I have done a lot of reading since our little problem a while ago and whilst asking for advise from the Goddess, received a paper on Jung. Once I read it, it all made sense. There has to be some sort of connection from being around for many lifetimes and it had to reside somewhere. It only makes sense that it would be in a "collective consciousness." Where else would learned behaviour and dreams that cross cultural divides come from?

[astralguardian]

So, it is possible Verminda, but I think you need some sort of prior knowledge to make the attack, Surgical and not, WWII ish bombing-like.

[seleena]

LMAO. You always have a wonderful way of explaining what I am thinking, AG, in such elequent terms. I am so happy you are back. I missed your wisdom and your friendship. I hope we find out what is going on and why so that you can feel comfortable with us again.

[astralguardian]

No amount of attacks can keep me away perminantly, and removing my, physical boundry would be a poor idea. You don't want a dragon bent on revenge and free if his... confines.

[seleena]

((((HUGS))))) Astralguardian. You have my love and deepest respect. Seleena bows her head before the dragon in friendship and love.

[vermindaspirit]

Verminda holds her sister's hand and joins with her in bowing her head to the mighty dragon......

I know that it is possible to do my problem was with HOW they can do it when there is no connection there in the first place, but from what S has said it is starting to make sense.... ;D

[seleena]

Here is an essay I found on Katherine Aurthur Blog. Pretty interesting how she explains Astral Attacks.

Astral Attack: It's More than Just Witchcraft
Astral Attack: It's More than Just WitchcraftBy: Samantha StevensBelieve it or not most astral Attacks are not caused by curses orwitchcraft. Half the time astral attacks are not intentional. Theytake place on the subconscious level and are the result of negativethinking, verbal abuse that goes round and round in the head, staleenergy that has been left behind in a place and bungled rituals thatmay have done by amateurs hoping to create prosperity or love. BelowI have identified the different kinds of astral attack that can takeplace and hopefully it will help you avoid cursing yourself as wellas others. Thoughts are like seeds once planted and allowed to growthey can take root and choke the potential out of your life. The ideais to keep your psychic garden free of the spiritual equivalent ofsuckers, weeds and anything else that might abort your spiritualgrowth, personal will and soul freedom.Thought FormsThought forms tend to affect our lives on a mundane level. That isbecause they tend to be sent by ordinary people. We may experiencemore day-to-day and practical frustrations. This kind of attack isusually from someone you know, with whom you've had an unpleasantencounter with. Perhaps you have had a disagreement and they havebeen disgruntled with you all day. You might feel the "bad energy"from that person's thoughts.The Subconscious CurseThis kind of curse usually comes from someone that we know quite welland actually cares for us. They may even be praying for our wellbeing to our actual detriment. A good example of this is theindividual who prays for the person with AIDS to have an "improvedimmune system" when the disease itself is an overkill of immunity.This is where others think they know what's best for you, butactually don't and you feel as if you are leading a life directed bysomeone else, and not you.The Self-Fulfilling Prophecy AttackThis kind of astral attack is often stated verbally in the form of anegative affirmation such as "You'll never make your rent unless youget a job.", "There's no way you can write that book in two weeks"and "Your aunt had diabetes so you will probably get it to." Thesekinds of words have a powerful effect on our subconscious mind andset to programming the conscious mind to write a disaster script forus.Unsolicited Criticism and Verbal AbuseThis might seem obvious, but this is actually a form of direct astralattack. The Unconscious Mind is very much influenced by words andpicks up these cruel words. Because they hurt we often repeat themover and over in our minds. When we do this we are basicallysubconsciously cursing ourselves with another person's words.The Collective Wish for FailureThe more successful you are, the more you attract envy and jealousy,and therefore the ravages of the evil eye. There are many people outthere who will happily congratulate you on your success and thensecretly go home and wish that you would fail for once. This can beespecially powerful if you find yourself at the mercy of a largegroup of people who are all wishing for your demise at the same time.The Psychic VampireIf you feel exhausted, fatigued or drained just by encountering aperson, then chances are you have encountered a person who is adeptat hooking into your third chakra and sucking your energy.If this person is always on your mind, to the exclusion of all otherthoughts, than it is possible that you have become engaged in anenergy exchange with someone who is trying to dominate or bend yourwill to their way.Live HauntingsThese forms of astral attack tend to take the form of obsession andthe object of obsession is usually a lover. When healthyrelationships terminate, neither individual is left with a sense thatthey are no longer whole. Live hauntings don't usually occur unlessthe real-life relationship was vampire like and co-dependent in thefirst place.The most likely suspects for this kind of haunting are addicts,alcoholics, manic-depressives and people with personality disorders.Although there may have been a genuine love there at one time, withone partner nurturing and taking care of the other, they oftendegenerate into power and ego struggles. Long after the person isgone, the person who is left behind often still feels addicted tothat person. Or they still strongly feel their presence around themand feel that presence is reflected in omens, coincidences andsynchronicities that occur in their lives. If you are completelyobsessed with an individual if you see or feel their presenceeverywhere, you are most likely the victim of a live haunting.Amateur Shamans and WitchletsSometimes you deliberately cross such a person, other times they seehim or herself as an agent of karma and sometimes you don't know themat all. People playing with magick are a growing problem in terms ofastral pollution on our planet. They are influenced by televisionshows, movies and the availability of spell books on the market.These individuals are generally quite harmless, but they can causehavoc in one's life on the mundane level. If you have no knownenemies in your life, are reasonably free of envy, resentment andfear and yet still cannot figure out where your haunting is comingfrom, it is probably the result of a thought form produced by anamateur shaman or witchlet. These attacks are not intentional; theyare just the products of bad aim, unfinished rituals or lack ofmagickal protocol in general.Cults, Gurus and Group MindIf you feel irresistibly compelled, beyond all rational reasoning, tojoin a cult, coven or religious organization, you may not benecessarily following your heart, you may be under astral attack.Cults work by downloading information into your crown chakra. Victimsoften feel inferior, unholy or lonely if they do not join the cult.Another major clue that you are under astral attack that originatesfrom group mind is this simple test stay away from them for a fewdays. If you suffer extreme misfortune or bad luck, then they areprobably practicing some form of binding on you to keep you with them.Also if you are experiencing a run of bad luck, it is possible thatthe group has stolen your guardian spirits and holding them hostage,so that you feel unprotected in any situation that doe s not includethem.Astral ImprintsAn astral imprint is a bad memory that won't go away, but the memoryis not necessarily yours. Other people leave astral imprints, dead oralive in building or environments. Living individuals can also leavetheir astral imprint on objects that they have touched or used duringthe time that you knew him or her. Antiques often hold the astralimprints of former owners. If you find yourself obsessed about anobject or feel disturbed or upset while holding it then you are mostlikely dealing with an astral imprint.

[brandra]

Interesting I want a closer look at this before replying

[astralguardian]

The universe is always listening.

Remember what I once stated about tolerance and patience? These things help keep those thoughts clear.

[seleena]

That is what I found so fasinating about what this article said. It is exactly what you said. Gotta love it. Here I thought you just made these things up. Tee hee.